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| i was wondering is there or was there really such thing as magic? if so could we have used it to bring back the dead? |
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| In ancient Egypt they had a type of magic called kishuv. I dont know if they could bring back the dead. |
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| Hello. When Moses saw the burning bush, it was not 'magic' but an example of ADONAI'S incredible power. The bush was not consumed.
When Moses held up his staff for the Israelites who had been bitten by serpents, and they were healed: it was not 'magic', but another
example of Jehovah's power. All mankind tastes death; except for Enoch: who walked with God, and Elijah.
The One, True God (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and there is no other: says not to mess around with anything else
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Location: The Last Outpost | Magic is that man kind has not turned the earth in to a moon that orbits the sun, now that HaShem is great and is still hoping that we figure it out soon.
A friend of mine last week explained that there are so many angels watching over us now days that the sky is covered in their exhaust and often we have been experiencing the tears of our failures.
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Location: Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY | Freedom of thought - 10/9/2009 5:16 PM
Freedom, You might not know this but we Jews are very careful of being resepectful not to use God's name in conversation, which is why we always refer to him as God or Hashem (hebrew for "the name"), we would all appriciate if you can please adhere to this practice on this forum.
More on this issue: http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm |
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Location: !!! mid-west!!! | o.....k.....let's get back omn topic and answer the question. yes two types. 1.Kishuf 2.Ma'aseh Sheidim. The first one is the ability to alter the appearance of something without ever changing what it in essence is (e.g. making a pint of blood fully transparent, yet it still has the properties of blood...i.e. don't dry to drink it). The second form can actualy create something, even something alive, from pre-existing matter (e.g. a snake from a staff, a frg from something), this second from is additionaly limmited in its incapacity of creating anything smaller than a grain of wheat (e.g. lice), and it ,ust be performed while standing less than 21.5-24 inches (a biblical 'cubit') above ground.
In actual practive the storah openly states not to practice either, since we have something better. No I'm not merely 'rooting for my team', it actualy far supases the limmited capabilities of these forms of 'magic', in addition to providing a sence of security (something worth far more than the biggest gun, and more wholesome than any amount of money). The bond, love, and connection that we SHARE with G-D (that's right it's mutual), empowers us with the ability to merely ask for our needs, and see them fulfilled, without resorting to perverted practices.
in practice however the Jewish judicial system does allow and require that the Sanhedrin (Jewish "Supreme Court") be fluent in the use/practice of magic (to have the experiance neccesary to prosecute magicians). But don't go googleing their adress, because untill mashiach comes the sanhedrin will not be formed. (there is a political movement by that name in the state of israel however...so don't get confused). But in practical application, the use of 'slight of hand' and other such illusions have their own set of Halachot [jewish laws]. (of which this author is not[farmiliar with...sorry]
source: Nesivis shalom parshas va'eira
Edited by kbrdplayer 10/18/2009 1:33 AM
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Location: Midwest | Kbrdplayer- First of all you are soooooooo lucky to be in Eretz Yisroel. Second of all wasn't there a type of magic that brought people up from the dead? Like when Shmuel Hanavi was and when Titus was? Peakay |
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| Who is Shmuel and Titus? Because speaks very much against spiritulism. And if I'm not mistaken Solomon, David and many more speak and say that the Dead know nothing. That when we die we are buried and know not anything?
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Location: Midwest | Shmuel is Samuel who was a great prophet who lead the Jewish people for many years before the Temple was built. I think Shaul or Saul brought him up from the dead to ask him if he should go to war. Titus was the one who set fire to the Temple and exiled the Jewish people. I think he was brought up from the dead and I don't know the rest of the story. When good people die, they go to Gan Eden where they await the coming of the Messaiah. Some say that they do know what is happening down here on earth while others say that they do not. When people pray at the spot where great leaders and Rabbis are buried, it sort of awakens them to pray to Hashem on the Jew's behalf. There are midrashim that tell of such incidents. When the Jews were going into exile they prayed by the burial spot of Rochel and she prayed on the behalf of the Jews and because of that Hashem promised her that her children will come back from exile. I hope that was helpful. If it was not clear or if you have other questions, I would be happy to try and answer them. Have a great day Peakay  |
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| I have little knowledge of magic but I do know that G_d will perform what appears to be magic through a vessel, a person that feels His desire. I have been told by my mother and grandmother no one else should know of the action, not to take credit or act like it is your doing. All power is to G_d alone. I don't think G_d looks favorably on magicians or their use of magic. |
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Location: !!! mid-west!!! | Peakay - 10/18/2009 3:16 PM
Kbrdplayer- First of all you are soooooooo lucky to be in Eretz Yisroel. Second of all wasn't there a type of magic that brought people up from the dead? Like when Shmuel Hanavi was and when Titus was? Peakay
True. ANd in afterthought, I have grossly missrepresented the gull dpectrum of Kishuf. I should have merely represented that as one aspect of it's power, in relationship to illusions and such.
That is performed by taking the bone from the carkas of an animel called the yaduah (hebrew for "known" animal- which is easily missunderstood as the author [rashi] not stating the animals name). And placing this bone on your palate. Then summon the neshama of the departed with whom you seek to converse.
All such actions are obsolete, in addition to being expressly forbidden, in that we have G-D himself to warn us ahead of time. WE have torah to provide us with propper direction in troubled times, and Great Rabbbis to show us where in the torah to find it! We are above all this, because we have HASHEM!! |
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is there or was there ever magic in the world?
